Indiana State University BSN Thread for Current Students

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moderator note: this is a continuation of a previous thread that was very long and split by member request. this thread is primarily for current student discussion. there is another thread of faq: http://thehealthscience.com/distance-learni...ad-365878.html

we had to take micro, stats, math, biology, couple of humanities, etc, etc. maybe she meant that's just the one specific to nursing, as in in addition to the rest of the gen eds? anyway, good luck on both your applications!

Hello, I'm currently in phase two is there anyone else in phase to or beyond that can email me I have some questions. I live in California.
Bsme1985 at aol

Sounds good, thanks! Will try to post more from now on then,

hi riversideCA. I understand that you are currently in ISU BSN program and i like to contact you via email if i could for some questions because i am recently just admitted to ISU (but not ISU Nursing program yet) and feel so lost. I am currently in OC, CA and still very confused where to go about this. I've spoke to a counselor at ISU and she referred me to sign up with TCN, but i'm not comfortable in signing up as i am trying to save as much money as possible. However, I did spoke to a TCN rep and according to them i still have a few classes i need to take in Phase I before i could proceed with Phase II.

Anyways, i like to know how you went about from your situation to start with this program up to this point. Your answers would be very much helpful. Thanks a lot.

Hi Waaiting, I have the same situation too, I don't understand even the ISU ppl told me that " I Have To sign up with TCN because I am in California", let's keep in touch for more info, good luck

Hello, I'm currently in phase two is there anyone else in phase to or beyond that can email me I have some questions. I live in California.
Bsme1985 at aol
What questions do you have?

Have any of you California residents taken your clinical courses in another state to speed up graduation since we are only allowed 1 per semester? I emailed the nursing dept. and they informed me that as long as we are licensed (by endorsement of course) in the state where we do our clinicals its fine. I figured this may be an alternative considering some CA students are having a hard time finding a preceptor.

What part of the program are you in

Hello all, I am new to this form. I am about to start phase 2. I live in Riverside California. I am about to apply to ISU next month with the hope of starting the program in the spring of next year. I am studying the mental health csm any suggestions would be helpful thanks.

Hello all, I am new to this form. I am about to start phase 2. I live in Riverside California. I am about to apply to ISU next month with the hope of starting the program in the spring of next year. I am studying the mental health csm any suggestions would be helpful thanks.
That was the easiest one for me. I used the College Network study guide to review and then took the practice test. Anything I missed, I looked over again and then retook the test until I got 100%. The ISU mental health exam was very similar to the practice test, so you should do well.
I took them out of order from what I heard was easiest to hardest. I took N106, N330 maternity, N328 peds, N224 adults.
The maternity was also easy and very similar to the practice test.
The peds was harder and many questions were not completely cut and dry. There were many questions about the best approach in a certain scenario.
The adult health was the hardest. I suggest studying the most for that one. I used the same approach as I did on the other exams- taking the practice test until I got 100% and reviewing all the end of unit questions too but found that none of the questions were similar to the practice test. You really have to know your disease processes, interventions, Meds, treatments, diagnostic tests and results, labs etc. It was like a final exam of the entire LVN program. Read the TCN study guide thoroughly and take notes or make flash cards. Focus on details like disease symptoms, treatments, meds, etc.
Good luck! You can do it!

Thank you so much for responding. I am currently taking chemistry and CINS online at IVY tech. I am taking A&P II at community college. I have yet to take my teas test, Micro the 4 CSMs and Math. Cinda are you in phase 3 yet? How long much time did you spend studying each csm? I would have like to meet the June deadline but I still have alot of things to get done by June. I plan on taking math in the summer. I will take Micro in the fall while testing out of the csm and teas test. I think the next deadline is in November for the spring of 2012 start.

Thank you so much for responding. I am currently taking chemistry and CINS online at IVY tech. I am taking A&P II at community college. I have yet to take my teas test, Micro the 4 CSMs and Math. Cinda are you in phase 3 yet? How long much time did you spend studying each csm? I would have like to meet the June deadline but I still have alot of things to get done by June. I plan on taking math in the summer. I will take Micro in the fall while testing out of the csm and teas test. I think the next deadline is in November for the spring of 2012 start.
Inland nurse,
I am taking chemistry, a&p2, history, sociology, and health science this semester in order to transfer to ISU with an AS. The requirements are slightly different doing it this way.
So I am in phase 1 but have already done all the phase 2 exams. I wanted to take them before I got busy with this semester's classes, studying for the TEAS and NCLEX.
I spent about 2 weeks studying for N106 and N330- just a few hrs/ week. I got a 92% and 93% on them. I studied 3-4 weeks for N328 and N224. I got a 77% on both exams which was surprising since I had a 4.0 throughout the LVN program. That is why I thought they were much more difficult. Also the pressure of knowing how expensive it is if you dont pass and have to retry is a bit daunting. Sometimes reading about what others have said can be discouraging too, because each person is different and what one person found difficult another could have found easy.
I'm sure each school's LVN program covers slightly different material and this is adult health for the BSN program, so it is more comprehensive. If I had spent more time studying and reviewing I'm sure I would have had higher scores, but I really just
wanted to get them over with asap.
I think you just have to try to prepare as much as possible, then get rest, do your best, and then pray and leave the outcome to God.
Cinda

Hi everyone,
I am also hoping to test out of all four challenge exams before June 1st. I have been searching online for the study guides at a affordable price, but have only found one of them.

[quote=glamvicious]ok can someone confirm this information for admission into the bsn program without a previous license you need to apply if you are applying to the isu campus' program that is a generic bsn program, you do not need an lvn license. if you are applying to the isu campus' accelerated masters program and already have a bachelors, you do not need an lvn license. however, if you wish to take the isu online lpn/lvn to bsn program, you must have a lpn/lvn license,

take the teas test (2 weeks after applying) have all of your pre reqs complete. you can apply to the university at any time, but it seriously would be best that you have the prerequisites finalized. you can take the isu dl 4 challenge exam at any time after you have applied to the university because you must have an isu student id before applying to the nursing department to take the challenges. teas test: i took it before i considered isu as it was a requirement for another program. the test score was good enough that i did not need to retake it when i forwarded the score to isu. either way, the application to the dl program requires the teas score.

what i'm confused about is when does a new bsn student take the csm before or after admission and what is the time frame. see above. you must have a isu student id to take the 4 challenge exams; to get the id, you must apply to the college.

also for current bsn students how long is the estimated completion time?[/quote] this question has been discussed in previous texts. however, how long it takes you depends on the state you are located and how many general education classes you must take. if you already have a bachelors and fulfilled all the ged requirements, the time is determined by the contract between isu and your state bon. if you want definitive info relating to your specific case, contact isu nursing dept.

Traversing EBay and saw some study guides on there today!

~Brenda

I was curious about the admissions process. I saw a disclaimer on the ISU website that there may be a wait list to get into the phase III of the program. If so, what is it and is there anything I can do expedite the process (beyond the required admissions process).

Also, I would like to see some feedback on anyone who has completed/ in process of completing Phase II. How difficult are the exams, what kind of prep did you do, and is there any support from the university for these exams?

thanks for any input!

Hi, can you please tell me how did it go for you setting up clinical sites/preceptors. That is my only roadblock right now to signing up with ISU. Thanks!

Elena

Yep guys, I was just rambling my thoughts out loud. It is a totally different progression when you are working full-time and have kids even tho they are in college. I have found that 2 classes a semester are about max for me and that is why I don't want to have anything but nursing courses left when I start Phase 3.
Have a good day all.
Brenda

I don't think Brenda is at that point yet but it's gone fine for me. You send the information to the contract guy and he takes care of the contract part then you contact the hospital to arrange for a preceptor. I've done clinicals at a few places just to add variety. Right now I'm doing public health at National Institutes of Health and critical care at Johns Hopkins so really you can go anywhere. It also looks good to be able to tell recruiters that you arranged for your own clinical experiences. It shows them you are proactive and motivated.

Thanks so much Chaxanmom. What is the incentive for a preceptor to take on a student? Do they get CEU's? I would LOVE to have a clincial at John Hopkins. I'm in southern Delaware but it would be worth the drive. How hard was it for the clinical to be set up? And was there a "waiting list" or any kind of wait? Really appreciate your help.

I don't think Brenda is at that point yet but it's gone fine for me. You send the information to the contract guy and he takes care of the contract part then you contact the hospital to arrange for a preceptor. I've done clinicals at a few places just to add variety. Right now I'm doing public health at National Institutes of Health and critical care at Johns Hopkins so really you can go anywhere. It also looks good to be able to tell recruiters that you arranged for your own clinical experiences. It shows them you are proactive and motivated.

I don't know that there is any incentive other than that its a benefit to nursing in general. I didn't have a wait list or anything. I did notify Hopkins a few months before my semester started but I'm just anal like that. I don't do anything last minute. It wasn't hard to set up at all once I tracked down the right person. If you do end up at ISU and want to go to Hopkins PM me and I'll pass on her name. Mark (contract guy at ISU) still has the name of a person in the legal department that was no help. I did have to do some legwork to find the right person but I wasn't a big deal. Nothing to fret about anyway.

Great news. I'm in! How long, all together, is it taking you to complete your BSN? And is the clinical the same as nursing school clinical, with other students with you? Do you get to pick the numbers of hours per day or does the preceptor decide? You're the first person who has been able to give me these important answers. Can't thank you enough.

I don't know that there is any incentive other than that its a benefit to nursing in general. I didn't have a wait list or anything. I did notify Hopkins a few months before my semester started but I'm just anal like that. I don't do anything last minute. It wasn't hard to set up at all once I tracked down the right person. If you do end up at ISU and want to go to Hopkins PM me and I'll pass on her name. Mark (contract guy at ISU) still has the name of a person in the legal department that was no help. I did have to do some legwork to find the right person but I wasn't a big deal. Nothing to fret about anyway.

I'm doing 12 hour shifts simply because it's easier to plan and it limits how many hours of morning childcare I need to arrange. Baltimore is an hour away from me and finding a babysitter willing to come at 5:30am is not an easy task. lol! It's really up to you and your preceptor but you can't do any more than 16 hours per day. You need 500 hours for the LPN-BSN program which is the same as the on campus students in the same program. You have to do the same things they do except your lectures are online rather than in person.

It's taken me a total of 4 semesters of nursing classes. I'm not including general education because I've done a little here, a little there for the past 10 years.
Totally depends on how much credit you transfer in and how many classes you take at a time. The program guide on the site will tell you what all you need.
It's totally different from nursing school clinical. You work one on one with your preceptor (a staff nurse chosen by the facility...Hopkins has a program to train preceptors for their new grad program and generally you will get one of these nurses). I've found that I learn a lot more this way than I did schlepping around with a bunch of other students. If something interesting comes along it's always you that gets to go see or participate because you are by yourself. I love that part. The down side is that your preceptor doesn't have the vested interest in your success that an instructor would so you better hope you get a good one or that you can be proactive but professional if you don't.

Thanks again. I guess I'm ready to sign up. You are a kind and generous person and probably a good nurse Your input is invaluable. Have a good weekend.

Aww you are so sweet. Thank you.

Hi Chaxamom,

I am seriously considering trying to enter ISU because it would work out for my schedule being a military spouse,working, and caring for 3 children. I just can not see myself entering the traditional school right now because they only offer clinicals and nursing classes during the day. I am currently taking my preq in the evening and online at a local college but I am really leaning towards ISU. I have read tons of threads and appreciate you responding to our questions and being so helpful. Another question does the study modules to challenge the nursing courses if you are a LPN. Does financial aid cover that ? And how much does it cost? Also how are the instructors are the classes really difficult? Thanks again.

No the study modules and test fees are something you have to pay for yourself so be sure to budget for that. As far as instructors go, it really varies. Only one in particular has been very easy (albeit hard to get ahold of) but she's got a lot going on in the background. Actually no, she wasn't the easiest. I just thought of an incredibly easy one. I'm not posting a list of skate professors until after I get my diploma though. Haha! I've had a couple that I thought at first were the prison warden type but they turned out to not be. My two favorites are Dr. Frank and Dr. Gosse. They teach research and critical care.

Can anyone further along in the program help me with this scenario? I am wondering if I wanted to take Nurs 208 along with clinicals 200 and 226 is this what the program allows? Another way of looking at it is if I took Nurs 318,322 and 324 in one semester do you think that would be okay? What I am trying to get an understanding of, so I can plan my classes in advance, is how the instructors of the program are allowing students to take the nursing courses and clinicals. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Tina

I am studying for the Nursing care of child and family and would like some feedback on it. I cannot post my email on this link, so in order to get in contact you have to private message me through here.

Leanne

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me clear this up. Do you have to be admitted to Indiana State University before you can register and take the 4 CSM examinations, because on the brochure it says

"Upon reciept of acceptance into Indiana State
University,students will register for the four Comprehensive Study Materials (CSM) examinations".

I applied to ISU for the fall 2009 semester, and I'm waiting to get accepted so I can register for the CSMs. Then I plan apply to the ISU College of Nursing so I can take NURS 208 and NURS 304 in Spring 2009. Is this how phase II works?

Also does anyone have any of the CSM's for sale.?

yes thats correct. there is a thread to answer all your questions i think its called ISU part 1

The CSMs are not easy! Study hard. They are doable. The medsurg one is a pain. GET THE STUDY MATERIAL.

I was admitted to ISU Fall 09. I have been working on prereqs. This semester i tried to study for the nclexpn, do CSMs, test out of A&P and work 2 jobs. Yea..didnt work at all. So i ended up quiting my day job, pushing back applying for their nursing program in spring and focusing on nclex. I will take A&P over the summer instead of testing out...and i have to retake most of my classes in the fall that i didnt do so well in this spring. No worries, it will all work out. I just learned the hard way!!!

this message is to armygirl

A question for all of you who took the CSM's.

I'm a bit confused by The College Network's involvement. I know that they sell you the books to study for the exams. However, is Excelsior the company that actually "makes" the exam? I just found a very scary forum trashing TCN.

http://www.ultimatethehealthscience.com/forum/f...network-24967/

So I guess my question is this: Do I HAVE to go through TCN in order to take the CSM's for ISU? Or can I go through Excelsior to take my CSMs? After reading the link, it really scared me going through TCN, any advice?

Excelsior has nothing to do with the CSMs. You take those directly through ISU. TCN's modules really are the perfect tool to study for those tests HOWEVER you can get them elsewhere and that's recommended.

As chaxanmom stated, you don't need to go through TCN to take these exams and Excelsior has nothing to do with them. Excelsior has its own program and tests. You can obtain the study modules for the ISU program elsewhere. Also, plenty of threads and individual posts can be found on this site about TCN. They are also described quite accurately on even another site that is concerned with scams. Do some research here about TCN and draw your own conclusions.

i just emailed you. i cannot pm as yet!
kathleen

Thanks Chax and Cal, I had done a lot of research on it but think I had got stunned reading that other thread, it threw me off of TCN so much. They were just sooooo negative about the whole idea, but it wasn't for this program at ISU. Thanks for your help!

Thank you so much to all of the current students for helping those of us who are interested! You guys are fantastic! I've looked thru the closed thread and must have missed this question: How do I find out which CLEP/Dantes or Exclesior tests to take? Is there a list someone I could print out? I see most of you met with the TCN and got information, but Im a sucker for sales people and really don't want to meet with them if I don't have to! As a military wife, this program is the one for me! I can work at my own pace for most of it and I am a very independent (or anal as my husband would say) so I'm excited to get started on my GE's. Thanks again!
-Ashley

Go right to ISU's nursing page and they have the list of courses you need. Tons of info there. http://www.indstate.edu/nursing

Just a question for those in the Northern California area -- how do you find an exam proctor? None of the libraries want to do it. I can't exactly ask the HR department at work because I have a home office and my employer is in Southern California. I don't know of any place that would do it. Someone suggested Sylvan Learning Center, but has anyone done this?

Thanks
Ballerinagirl

Thanks! That website does have a lot of info. However, I still can't find a list of what test outs are accepted by ISU and where to take them (CLEP, Dantes, Excelsior). Does anyone have the list college network gave them with that information? And should I call ISU to see if any of my previous classes will transfer? Sorry, I know this is for you current students to talk :uhoh21: but I promise this is my last question for you LOL.

As far as what tests are CLEP, which at Dantes, etc. and where to take them. Look at the sites specifically for those companies. They list which tests they offer and a test site locater.

Excelsior has nothing to do with the CSMs. You take those directly through ISU. TCN's modules really are the perfect tool to study for those tests HOWEVER you can get them elsewhere and that's recommended.
You seem to know a lot about how to get around here so I was wondering if you could share with me how exactly to get around TCN. I personally loath the company and it's the only thing standing between me and this program. I've completed all my Gen Eds, I've been accepted into ISU for Fall 2009 and now I need to take the CSM's but I would rather pluck my eyes out than do a contract with TCN. Can you direct me to an alternative? I've looked everywhere with no success. I'm desperate and begging on bended knee...

You just have to get the CSMs elsewhere. Ebay, other students, etc. Do you have access to your ISU email account yet? There are always students selling their old modules through there.

Ballerinagirl- I am using Sylvan for testing; took my first test today and had no problems. It's $200 for a year of testing, at least at the center I am at in IL.

Took Childbearing Family today, it was pretty straight forward-if you are okay with the review questions you should be okay.

You just have to get the CSMs elsewhere. Ebay, other students, etc. Do you have access to your ISU email account yet? There are always students selling their old modules through there.
Yes I do have access to my email. It's [email protected] . Where do I find these students? How can I contact someone with modules? Ebay has nothing. I've been looking for weeks. It's getting down to my deadline to start taking these test before Fall semester and I'm running out of time. Any direction you can give me would be great. I'd hate to have to sign that TCN contract....

Hi,

Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that in order to get in for the Fall '09 Semester you would of had to have the exams taken and passed by the June 1st deadline? I have one exam taken and 3 to go and will apply by Nov. 1st for Spring '10 Semester.

Brenda

Hello All,
I'm sorry to bug ya'll about this, because it looks like there's a fair amount of people looking for the CSM modules, but I won't be starting until next year. If anyone finishes with their modules and wants to get rid of them afterward, please contact me, I don't need them until next year 2010. Thanks!

Thanks. I went to Sylvan yesterday and they were very helpful and knowledgeable about the process. Thanks for the tip about the Care of the Childbearing Family. I will try to see if I can fit in all 4 test (aaaargh), but a lot of the stuff is review and the technical stuff comes easy to me. it's all the other side stuff (nontechnical, social, and other touchy-feely things) that I find difficult. Give me technical stuff any day and I can handle it. The test I'm likely to flunk (if anything) is the one that people say is the easiest (N106). Go figure!

ballerinagirl

Can someone let me know if these are the right study guides for ISU LVN-BSN program

Med Surg- Care of the Adult client Vol 1 pgs 202
Psych- Care of the client with a mental disorder vol II pgs 152
Ob- Care of the Adult client during childbearing Vol III pgs 102
Peds- Care of the Child Vol IV pgs 270

Thanks!

Anyone else applying for Spring 2010? Looking for some potential classmates to try and keep in touch with!

I am planning to apply for the spring of 2010! IF I am able to pass the 4 nursing modules....

Kvlea, have you already taken the tests??? If so, how were they???

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